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Rally car gearbox costing.........forty thousand !

KevJTD wrote:
Looks like the Xtrac 4WD gearbox as used in a lot of super 2000 rally cars like the proton satria. sequential, lovely bit of kit

Bloody 'ell Kev, how do you know that ??

rally cars, oddball exotic ones at that, are my thing. can't recognise any classics you guys name at the drop of a hat but let me gawp at a rally car and the details stick in my mind.

there's a proton satria that usually does the cadwell rally too, that helps

you can see it's a 4WD one, for transverse applications, Xtrac in the casting helps. they make them for most stuff, usually attached to a Millington diamond which just make the best noise

Ah so is this similar to your Delta gearbox we were talking about yesterday? This however looks like the transfer box is all part of the same casting as the bell housing, is that the same as the Delta's or is the delta's a separate part as it seemed as we were talking.
No doubt it will have a full run down in your thread when you put it all back together.

exactly the same type of layout mate, except that as you say on mine the transfer box can be separated from the gearbox along the bellhousing line

you can see here where my transfer box bolts to the gearbox, the two sets of shafts feed the different output shafts..

All makes sense to me now, interesting how the Xtrac has the same layout, but I guess it is because the majority of the cars using it were like the Delta, only originally designed as front wheel drive cars.
Am I also correct in thinking the 155 4x4 has the same drive train layout as the Delta Integrale?

NUALFAMAN wrote:All makes sense to me now, interesting how the Xtrac has the same layout, but I guess it is because the majority of the cars using it were like the Delta, only originally designed as front wheel drive cars.
Am I also correct in thinking the 155 4x4 has the same drive train layout as the Delta Integrale?

i'd guess so mate, same engine..differences in lsd types I think but layout will be the same

PETROLHEAD wrote:There is some german design element to it, but not what you'd consider a germanic manufacturer such as bmw, vw etc


Need another clue?

ok,

here's another much more detailed shot of the other side, a right giveaway this time

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You're right mate, complete give away now we can see the other side.

Looks like a Ford Sierra XR4i sill section.

Ooh keith,

How do you do it?

I should probably stick it in "what you working on" thread, but its such a long term thing everyone would be bored,

If interested at all in the first place!

Kev. I finally remembered to ask and the rally car gear box was out of a WRC Fiesta.

Ah, from a very much more expensive bit of kit then! Cheers mate

One for guess who. Yes It is easy, but it is quality engineering as well.

De Tomaso Mangusta, with aftermarket GT40 style headers. Yum!

And a custom roll cage, I've just noticed.

Damn !! you beat me to it Lauren.
Have to admit, didn't know about the headers. Hope Tony has his usual "full picture" after it was guessed.

Blast didn't think Lauren would be about this early.

Sorry guys, I'll give you a head start next time, I promise

Wow, these De Tomaso boys aren't afraid of doing a few mods are they? The normal street exhaust has separate collectors for each exhaust bank, and then a big silencer on each side and out the back under the rear valance panel. Panteras typically have the same set-up. This Mangusta has what looks like a balanced extractor manifold with the exhaust exiting through the central grille at the back, which was normally used for a heat exchanger (optional AC radiator I think). And as for those wheels...

It's a shame really - the standard Mangusta Campagnolo alloys are I think some of the nicest period wheels you can get, and very egalitarian too, being used on cars as diverse as the Porsche 911 and Fiat 131 Rally...

So, next time... stumm. Even if I know the answer

Lauren

Nice one Tony. Good show.

Years ago I went to look at a silver 105 GC Sud. The guy gave me directions to a farm, and when I got there, as well as the Sud in one barn, another stone barn had three Panteras lined up. Often wondered what happened to them. It was around the late 80's.

Don't think you can see it clearly in the first pic but couldn't understand why it had heated rear screens when the exhaust is sitting right there.

Yes, with that exhaust there shouldn't be a problem with the rear screens misting up. There is normally a large carpeted tray that goes over the top of the gearbox and spare wheel on the production cars though, hence the demister lines.

I've always had a bit of an affinity with the Mangusta - beautifully styled (by Giugiaro while he was at Ghia), it was at the time one of the worst-handling supercars money could buy, apparently suffering from simultaneous oversteer and understeer. Sort of reminds me of a certain kit car with rather humble underpinnings that I used to have

Fortunately that car is now more like the Pantera, perhaps a bit better balanced (46:54 F/R).

Lauren

This sold for£40K the other day at auction.....guess away(Lauren wait a bit) Lol

Lots of tyre on that ! Puts mine to shame.

I promised I wouldn't say anything this time

Over to you guys.

No idea on this one !!
Is it front wheel drive ?

Kegsti66 wrote:No idea on this one !!
Is it front wheel drive ?

No. Answer 2moro from me or Lauren. Lol

Take it away Lauren......

Apparently it's Porkie powered, a one-off built in 1968 by a guy working at GM...

Hmm !
Could look good with better proportioned wheels and an Alfa boxer. Quite like the shape.
Not too keen on that price though.

Lauren's only half right this time and the price was £30K. Built by Bill Molson in '68 he was the only owner with 950miles on the clock. Weighing 1100 pounds and powered by a race tuned 2.6 ltr Corvair engine giving an awesome 400hp/ton. Called Molson Corsa GT38 because it was only 38" high. Rubber was put down via a Porsche 5 speed transaxle. I can't find any pics to show how tiny this is.

Corvair on a Porkie transaxle eh? A strange combination, but I guess Molson was able to tap into a large body of racing experience within GM. I like the general proportions of the car but I think the tyres are too tall - probably the only profile that was available in the 1968 though...

My Nova is only 38" high as well, but it's no use bragging about it because at 29" the Adams Probe 15 has got us both licked