Too many projects... again!

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What stays?

16v Sud
6
43%
155 BTCC
3
21%
AE86
0
No votes
Group A 130tc
4
29%
Giullia
0
No votes
Z4M
1
7%
 
Total votes: 14

garygecko
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Too many projects... again!

Post by garygecko »

I'm not sure how this keeps happening, I sell some projects but then more appear. I think I may have a problem. But something(s) need to go and I need to get a grip :lol: . I have an Ae86 historic rally car. While I can appreciate the engineering, I don't enjoy driving it very much or even looking at it. I have put in a type 9 gearbox and have a tarmac rally next month, which will be its last chance to change my mind. A 1968 Giulia which I am preparing with a friend on a very tight budget. This is more about the journey than the destination, I might just sell my half to him when we are finished but given how much work we are putting in, I don't know. I have the unfinished 16v Sud that hasn't been touched in 2 years but is close to being finished. The Z4M GT4 nearly finished but held up by Covid. The Alfa 155 BTCC Super Tourer unstarted project. And now I have a Fiat Strada Abarth 130tc. This is an ex Group A race car currently a road car that I plan to return to group A spec. I really need to get this list down to two. I cant afford all these cars and I need to start moving some on and enjoying what's left. But what to do? What stays and what goes? First world problems I know but thought I would start a poll for fun. Also PM if interested in any :roll:
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Veesix75
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Re: Too many projects... again!

Post by Veesix75 »

Much as the z4 would be epic with the M3 straight 6, I’d try and go with the sud and Tarquini.

However if push came to shove then the Sud and the z4, bit of modern racing in the zed and classic in the sud.

Suspect tarquini needs a lot of work but with the U.K. Dunlop series you might get a decent amount for it as it stands for someone else to build up if you did sell.

Tough one as my 3 choices are here in the U.K.

You should get a good return on the Toyota, prices have gone upwards in th U.K. so assume the same in oz?

garygecko
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Re: Too many projects... again!

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Veesix75 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:57 pm
Much as the z4 would be epic with the M3 straight 6, I’d try and go with the sud and Tarquini.

However if push came to shove then the Sud and the z4, bit of modern racing in the zed and classic in the sud.

Suspect tarquini needs a lot of work but with the U.K. Dunlop series you might get a decent amount for it as it stands for someone else to build up if you did sell.

Tough one as my 3 choices are here in the U.K.

You should get a good return on the Toyota, prices have gone upwards in th U.K. so assume the same in oz?

I'm kind of leaning towards the Abarth and the Z4. Both have history. My head tells me to sell the Sud but I would like to race a Sud again and it would be epic. The Toyota definitely has one foot out the door.

Veesix75
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Re: Too many projects... again!

Post by Veesix75 »

Hmmm......thing is Gary I’ve seen the Sud numerous times, in fact I’ve touched it numerous times :lol:

I’d hang on to the sud and the z4. Imagine the sight and sound of that sud at 8000rpm, awesome.

I like the fiat but not more than a sud.

However it’s what you want, not what I would want.

junior
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Re: Too many projects... again!

Post by junior »

Over many years with many motorbikes I realised that the ones I got the most fun out of were the ones that could be used in the broadest range.

So it depends on how you set the Gulia up as to how much fun it would be. An the Arbarth the same I guess.

So one with broad focus and one with a narrow one would be my choices.

garygecko
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Re: Too many projects... again!

Post by garygecko »

junior wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 1:43 pm
Over many years with many motorbikes I realised that the ones I got the most fun out of were the ones that could be used in the broadest range.

So it depends on how you set the Gulia up as to how much fun it would be. An the Arbarth the same I guess.

So one with broad focus and one with a narrow one would be my choices.
This my thinking. Also the Sud needs to be trailered everywhere.

rsfruitbat
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Re: Too many projects... again!

Post by rsfruitbat »

Do you have a preference between FWD and RWD?
Do you have a preference between rallying and racing?
Which is more important being competitive or having fun?
How quickly do you want to be using them?
How much do you want to spend?

For me i prefer FWD, rallying and knowing I've driven to the best of my abilities whether I end up first or last. I would like to do an event this weekend without Having to spenders prepping the car and by the way my trousers have no pockets (unless I find something really shiny, know what I mean😎).
Having seen your Sud that would have to be one of them. With an extra seat it could be an easy conversion and used for tarmac rallying?
I like the thought of the 130TC but I think the 155 would be easier to run and maintain for pure racing. With its history it could be more likely to hold its value?
I can remember CCC doing an article the 130TC and there view was it was an homologation special for rallying. I think it would be eligible for historic events by now.

I am fairly sure my ramblings will be of no use to you at all and I'm sorry to have wasted your time.
However it has enabled me to generate a few fantasies that could keep me going for a while😁

On a more serious note if you can narrow down what you want to do it will be easier to refreshing of the portfolio is the best fit.

Good luck. Rsfruitbat

garygecko
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Re: Too many projects... again!

Post by garygecko »

rsfruitbat wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:10 pm
Do you have a preference between FWD and RWD?
Do you have a preference between rallying and racing?
Which is more important being competitive or having fun?
How quickly do you want to be using them?
How much do you want to spend?

For me i prefer FWD, rallying and knowing I've driven to the best of my abilities whether I end up first or last. I would like to do an event this weekend without Having to spenders prepping the car and by the way my trousers have no pockets (unless I find something really shiny, know what I mean😎).
Having seen your Sud that would have to be one of them. With an extra seat it could be an easy conversion and used for tarmac rallying?
I like the thought of the 130TC but I think the 155 would be easier to run and maintain for pure racing. With its history it could be more likely to hold its value?
I can remember CCC doing an article the 130TC and there view was it was an homologation special for rallying. I think it would be eligible for historic events by now.

I am fairly sure my ramblings will be of no use to you at all and I'm sorry to have wasted your time.
However it has enabled me to generate a few fantasies that could keep me going for a while😁

On a more serious note if you can narrow down what you want to do it will be easier to refreshing of the portfolio is the best fit.

Good luck. Rsfruitbat
All good points Fruitbat. Parts for the Abarth are hard to come by but they do share a lot of components with other fiats like the 128. It's just trying to work out what comes from where. The Ritmo was more a Group N race homologation special but they were used a fair bit in rallying. I plan to use it in hillclimbs with the local Italian car club that I am on the committee with and also the Targa Tasmania. The 155 is highly specialised, it has the D2 engine with Abarth heads and a block based on the 164 turbo. Parts are unobtanium with prices to match. I have 2 engines but both have some minor parts missing. It also runs a Hewland sequential gearbox. My current thinking is sell the Sud and the Toyota. Ship the Z4 out and use that while I prep the Abarth then decide what to to do with the Z4 when the Abarth is done. Continue with Giulia and decide what to do with that when it's finished. Make a start on the 155 and see where that leads. It still leaves me with more projects than I should have but as long as I don't buy another project :roll: , it should all be good.

P.S. How are you going with my ex-project? I was hoping to see a build thread.

rsfruitbat
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Re: Too many projects... again!

Post by rsfruitbat »

Hi Gary
Good luck with the difficult choices you will have to make.
Project is still in the planning stage and gathering a few bits. Had a bit of a setback when I had to get out of the unit I was storing vehicles in so I now have stuff all over the place. Driveshaft issues have also resulted in a detour on brakes and suspension. Only one more major project on the engine and the shell is the next in the pipeline. Once it kicks off I will add it to my rally car thread.

All the best and good luck. Rsfruitbat

Harry_p
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Re: Too many projects... again!

Post by Harry_p »

The 155 just had to get one of my votes, the 94 btcc car is one of my all time favourite race cars.

The other choice was tougher but went to the sud because it seemed most appropriate for this forum. In reality if they were mine I think I’d chose the 155 and Giulia for a bit of fwd / rwd contrast.
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